Brian Beckcom is the Founding Partner and Owner of VB Attorneys, a personal injury law firm based in Houston, Texas. As a board-certified personal injury trial lawyer and recognized Texas Super Lawyer for 14 years in a row, Brian has secured multimillion-dollar verdicts and settlements, earning his firm a reputation for litigating against major corporations and insurance companies. In addition to his legal work, Brian hosts the Lessons From Leaders podcast, showcasing esteemed guests and leadership insights. His unique background in computer science and philosophy informs his approach to law and has bolstered his firm’s use of technology in law applications.
What happens when law intersects with the worlds of philosophy and technology? Can a background in these seemingly disparate fields give someone an edge in the courtroom or in running a successful business?
According to Brian Beckcom, a board-certified personal injury trial lawyer with over 20 years of experience, the key lies in a unique approach to problem-solving. He highlights that his dual degrees in computer science and philosophy allow him to think strategically and critically, whether dissecting a legal argument or analyzing data from a complex case. This combination of analytical thinking and ethical reasoning gives him an edge in both litigation and business management, enabling him to investigate, innovate, and adapt in ways that traditional methods may miss.
In this episode of 15 Minutes, host Chad Franzen sits down with Brian Beckcom, Founding Partner and Owner of VB Attorneys, to discuss how his background in philosophy and tech has influenced his approach to law. Brian shares his thoughts on the importance of strategic persistence in litigation, how technology like AI is reshaping the legal landscape, and why philosophy is a key tool for understanding legal ethics. Brian also shares insights from his Lessons From Leaders podcast and offers advice to aspiring lawyers.
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Intro 00:01
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Chad Franzen 00:12
Hi, Chad Franzen here, one of the hosts of Share Your Voice, where we talk with top notch law firms and lawyers about what it takes to grow a successful law practice. This episode is brought to you by Gladiator Law Marketing, delivering tailor made services to help you accomplish your objectives and maximize your growth potential. To have a successful marketing campaign and make sure you’re getting the best ROI, your firm needs to have a better website and better content. Gladiator Law Marketing uses artificial intelligence, machine learning, and decades of experience to outperform the competition. To learn more, go to gladiatorlawmarketing.com where you can schedule a free marketing consultation. My guest today is Brian Beckcom, Founder of VB Attorneys in Houston, Texas, specializing in personal injury law. Brian is a Texas Super Lawyer and board certified personal injury trial lawyer by the Texas Board of Legal Specialization. Brian hosts the podcast lessons from leaders featuring esteemed guests. His firm is renowned for litigating against dangerous corporations and insurance companies securing multimillion dollar verdicts and settlements. Brian’s expertise has earned him recognition in publications like The New York Times and appearances on major networks like ABC News, CNN, and NBC News. He’s also a prolific lawyer with seven books to his name, including How to Win Your Injury Case. Brian, thanks so much for joining me today. How are you?
Brian Beckcom 01:30
Great to be here, Chad. I’m really looking forward to this. Your show is awesome and I’m looking forward to having a nice little discussion today.
Chad Franzen 01:39
Yeah, I appreciate you joining me. Thank you so much. Hey, tell me as we get started here, when, how and when did you know that you wanted to become an attorney?
Brian Beckcom 01:47
Yeah. Great question. There’s a very specific answer, I can tell you that I’ve looked at this, and there is not any lawyers in my family in, on my father’s side or my mother’s side anywhere that we can find. And my grandparents, Grandparent, my grandfather, my father’s side, my uncle, and my mother’s side. They like to look at the genealogy and the family history. No lawyers. So I come from primarily a family of military officers, enlisted people, teachers and law enforcement. That’s where I that’s where I come from. But when I was very young, my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer. I was five years old. My dad was in the Air Force. We were stationed in upstate New York at the time. The diagnosis was done too late and she ended up dying five years later. There were some really, really serious medical malpractice. And of course I was too young and did not know this at the time. But my dad hired a lawyer to sue the United States of America. I only found this out when I when I was a little bit older. But he won the case, which anybody that knows anything about suing the government knows how hard that is. And that allowed. So my my dad was a military officer and then he was an ROTC, a junior ROTC instructor for 20 years, so we didn’t have a lot of money. We weren’t poor, but we did not have a lot of money. But but that lawsuit allowed my brother and I to go to college and law school. My dad took his settlement money and gave it all to Texas A&M. Our school in the form of scholarships, basically. But I saw from a very young age the benefit and and what the law could do for people that really needed help. And so that’s kind of and to be quite frank with you, Chad, I didn’t think I wanted to be a lawyer when I was in high school or when I was in middle school. That was the farthest thing from my mind. You know what I wanted to do? I wanted to be a computer scientist. And so I went, this is in the late 80s, early 90s. I go to Texas A&M and I, I didn’t know what I wanted to study. I didn’t even think about being a lawyer. I didn’t know any lawyers. I mean, I don’t have anybody to talk to. So I was like, you know what? These computers are fun. So I ended up studying computer science and also philosophy And at Texas A&M. Those were my two degrees are in. But people are like computer science and philosophy. How do you end up in law? And so here’s the answer to that question. So I tell people, I say, I spent four years at A&M in a computer lab behind a screen with a bunch of dorks, and I didn’t want to do that the rest of my life. So I went to law school. And what do I do now? 25 years later, I sit behind a computer screen. So, so. But it’s an interesting journey. And I, you know, I truly believe that everybody has a purpose in life. And, you know, I don’t think it’s one specific purpose, but I think one of the best things you can do is kind of figure out what your calling is and then chase that. And so that’s what I’ve done for the last 25 years.
I feel real lucky to be able to do what I’m doing.
Chad Franzen 04:49
I would imagine the cohorts in those two programs, computer science and philosophy, were completely different.
Brian Beckcom 04:57
Well, I’ll tell you the interesting thing. A lot of people don’t know this. The original computer scientists were philosophers. And in fact, in fact, physics, chemistry, biology, mathematics, all that stuff. Maybe not mathematics, but they used to call it natural philosophy.You know, hundreds and hundreds of years ago. And science, actually, all sorts of science actually comes out of philosophy. It’s not people think it’s the opposite, but people will pose these philosophical questions and then it’ll eventually branch off into a scientific discipline. So, for example, physics started with philosophy. It started with natural philosophy. It started with people literally going, why does the sun move though? Why does it move this way? In that way? Why? Why wouldn’t I drop an object like a feather and I drop an object like a bowling ball? Do they drop at the same rate? Like those were philosophical questions. So the interesting thing about it is different as they sound, they’re actually totally compatible. You know, the old joke, like, if you want to not get a job after graduation, you should be a philosophy major. Yeah, I’m actually here to tell you, if you want to work at any job in any field and be super duper disciplined and rigorous in your thinking, philosophy is the way to go. I actually think it’s the best degree you can get. So really.
Chad Franzen 06:21
That’s that’s very interesting. Changed my entire perspective on it. So you had that you had that. You have, you know, these two degrees in computer science and philosophy. You go to law school. Take me through kind of your journey then, you know, post law school. How did you get into the legal industry?
Brian Beckcom 06:37
Yeah, so I go to law school. I really took to it. And that’s because your first year is mainly reading and talking and writing, and I like doing those things. I enjoyed it, I made really good grades. I was on the Law Review at Texas, I was editor in chief of the Law Review. And what happens if you go to a top 20 law school and you’re in the top of the class, you get recruited by the top law firms. And that’s what happened to me. And I didn’t know any different. Again, remember, Chad, no lawyers in the family. So I’m just following along the path. Okay, I’m at Texas law school. I look around everybody that’s making good grades is going to big law firms. That’s what I got to do. And so that’s what I did after law school. I left, graduated from law school in three years, and I went to work at the biggest law firm in Texas at the time, a firm called Fulbright and Jaworski. And for two years I defended big corporations like billion dollar corporations. And I had one case, one time I was representing a plumbing company. This black plumber, 28, 29 years old, fell off a roof and hurt himself really bad. His name was Eric LaGrone. I’ll never forget his name. And I went to trial and he beat me. His lawyer did to the tune of about half a million bucks. And I remember thinking, as I was giving him the settlement check, how happy I was for him. And I was going, Oh. I’m on the wrong side, you know. So it became clear to me within two years that I preferred I didn’t want to represent what are essentially fictional pieces of paper. That’s what insurance companies are. They don’t exist. They’re just pieces of paper. And they don’t care if you win or lose. They’re not humans. And it just didn’t excite me. And so I immediately was like, I got to get out of here really fast. And I went off, worked for a couple of years at a firm, learned a lot of things, and I started my own firm four years into the practice. And that’s VB Attorneys. Now, as a matter of fact, it’s our 20th anniversary this month, so we’ve been in practice for 20 years. That’s how I got started. And and I love what I do. I mean, it’s challenging. It’s stressful. Sometimes you worry a little bit about certain things, but I wouldn’t trade it for the world.
Chad Franzen 08:47
Wow. Congratulations. Congratulations on 20 years. What was the I mean, thinking 20 years ago? What was the most kind of Surprising thing about running your own firm compared to working at a firm when you first start?
Brian Beckcom 09:01
Yeah. So they don’t teach you how to market in law school. They don’t teach you how to run a business in law. They don’t teach you any of that stuff. And so the surprising thing to me was like how I had to learn things other than being a lawyer. So the story I tell and I actually got this from my marketing mentor, the you could have the best bakery in the entire city.You have the best cookies. Everybody loves your cookies, but if nobody knows about it, it doesn’t matter. It’s the same thing with being a lawyer. You could be the best trial lawyer in the whole city of Houston. And if you’re not a good marketer, it doesn’t matter. And it took me a little while to realize that because the way I grew up, I was like, if you’re good at what you do, then business and success will come your way. Well guess what? That’s definitely not the way it works. I mean, and it’s not just in the law business, Chad. The best don’t always win. Sometimes it’s the luckiest. Sometimes it’s the most persistent. Sometimes, like, there’s just, you know, if you were if you were at the rim. The Canadian company working on blackberries at a certain period of time, you were a genius. And within two years you were an idiot. So sometimes it’s just timing. But it made me realize that, like, running a law firm is nothing like actually practicing law. Those are two different skills. And so that that was one of the big things. The other big thing is you can spend all your time on your business and have no time for anything else your family, your free time, any stuff like that. Or you can have a more balanced life. And I can tell you this is for sure. I chose the second route. I chose to have a little bit more balanced life. I would have made a lot more money over the last 20 years had I worked seven days a week, 14 hour days, a lot more money. And you can do that if you own your own law firm, your own business, like you kind of control your income stream. But you know what else? You also control. You control how much time you spend with your children. You control how much time you spend with your wife or your husband. And so you have a ton of freedom. But sometimes that can cause a little anxiety. The more freedom you have, the more different things you can screw up. So those were kind of the the major two things that I that kind of surprised me when I opened my own law firm.
Chad Franzen 11:21
Yeah. Yeah, I would imagine. What did you do? I mean, marketing probably is like the channels through which you market have changed so much in the last 20 years. What did you do to kind of get the word out at the time?
Brian Beckcom 11:33
First thing I did was I started writing letters to every single person I know that I had like a list of 100 people. I’d literally write a handwritten letter, hey, this is what I’m doing. I just wanted you to know if you have any business you want to send my way, please keep me in mind. I had somebody tell me when I opened my firm. The number one thing you should not do is be invisible.You got to be in people’s minds. And then the third thing I did is I joined a legal marketing group run by a person named Ben Glass called Great Legal Marketing. Matter of fact, I was one of the first members of this thing, and Ben completely changed my entire mindset about everything. And so you’re right. Things have changed a lot as a computer science guy. Of course, I had one of the first websites up ever, and I had the first website up that was actually generating business. And, you know, fast forward a little bit, then I was one of the first people to have videos up on a regular basis. I actually have a video production studio at my office where I can just walk across the hall and shoot videos and have them up within a couple of minutes. Now everybody can do that with a phone. Now we’re into the AI stuff, right? So I’ve been into the AI stuff for about a year and I’m playing around with that. But yeah, the, the, the mechanism by which you transmit your message has changed dramatically. But the fact of transmitting it hasn’t. So you’re still doing the same thing. You’re still telling people like basically people. And this again applies across all businesses. You have somebody has a problem or a need and you want to be there to fulfill it. And in our business you don’t know when that’ll be. So like an estate lawyer knows people get older, they’re going to have estate planning needs. Like 18 year old doesn’t have estate planning needs. Right. And a transactional lawyer is going to know if two companies are coming together to merge. They’re going to have documentary needs. But what I do, I mean, I don’t anybody could get hurt at any time. So and then once that happens, there’s a very limited window in which they make a decision about what to do. And so some people will call it look in the Yellow Pages. I don’t think they do that anymore, but or the billboards or the TVs now it’s the internet. And so you need to be where people are. And that’s kind of that’s kind of the basic strategy. But again, the point is, is like the distribution channels have changed, but the messaging and the purpose hasn’t.
Chad Franzen 13:58
So you you know, you’ve probably been in some I’m sure every case that you’re in is in a challenge, a challenge in its own way. What has been like a particularly memorable, memorable, challenging case that you’ve taken on during your career?
Brian Beckcom 14:13
Yeah. I won’t give you the anybody the details of this, but I’m in the middle of it right now. I’ve done some multi multi eight figure nine figure cases. I’ve done some super cool cases like the Captain Phillips case, Tom Hanks, the Somali boat case where I was on New York Times Dateline. But I’m working on something right now that is absolutely unbelievable.And I can’t get into too many details, but I can tell you that the skills you develop as a trial lawyer or as a litigator apply to anything. And so I’ll give you a little bit of a taste of it. I’m involved in something right now where there’s some illegal activity at the very highest, as highest levels of some Texas institutions, and I don’t want to get into too many details, but the skills that I’ve developed have enabled me to investigate this and find things and pursue strategies and use the legal system in a way that nobody else can do. So for people that are listening. And I think there’s other fields of law where this applies to. But the the point is, is like if you’re trained as a litigator or a trial lawyer, you’re basically trained as a professional investigator. And that applies to a lot of different fields. So, for example, if you’re the CEO of a big corporation or something, but you have like a litigator, a trial lawyer that’s working for you and there’s something fishy going on, that’s the person you want to go look into it. Right. Because what are we what are we really do as trial lawyers? We seek the truth. Like, we we seek the truth. We use the discovery mechanisms to do that. And then there’s a picture. And we have to take all these disparate facts and all this evidence, and we got to put it into a story. That’s really what we do. And so that’s what I’ve been doing lately. And this you’re going to see this I predict on national news very very fairly fairly soon.
Chad Franzen 16:09
Wow. Wow. Interesting.
Brian Beckcom 16:12
So stay tuned.
Chad Franzen 16:13
Yeah, definitely. So what kind of investigative skills do you feel like you have at your advantage? You know, like, I like I think of a lawyer as a good a good debater, a good arguer, you know, somebody who can prove a point. Maybe a journalist is more of an investigator, but what what in terms of being a lawyer, what kind of investigative skills do you have at your advantage?
Brian Beckcom 16:34
So I know how to use the rules. So in litigation, it would be the rules of civil procedure. In an administrative proceeding, it would be the administrative rules. And I know how to be strategic and tactical. Like I know I’ve got a certain goal in this situation or a set of goals. I know how to develop a plan to get to those goals. And maybe most importantly, I’m persistent. And so, for example, in this case I’m working on right now, I’ve been lied to repeat, I’ve asked for certain documents and I’ve been lied to repeatedly. And but then most people will just go away. Okay. That’s what you said. I’m not going to follow up, but I never do that. Like, I’m so persistent that I will literally not quit until I get what I want, period. And that has that’s got a lot of benefits, that persistence. So, for instance, I’ve uncovered some bombshell documents like bombshell documents in this case I’m working on right now that I’d never would have uncovered had I not pushed and been persistent and been persistent and been persistent. I mean, like when you deal with billion dollar insurance companies every day like I do, they don’t give it up easy, like they fight everything and they don’t want to give you the good documents. They don’t want to give you the good information. So it’s great training About how to be persistent. I mean, a matter of fact, I should have said that first, persistence is the most important thing I’ve learned.
Chad Franzen 18:01
What’s your favorite part about being a lawyer?
Brian Beckcom 18:04
Being able to help people.
Chad Franzen 18:09
What are you most? What’s your proudest moment?
Brian Beckcom 18:15
I’m doing it right now. Oh, yeah. Nice. Stay tuned. Stay tuned.
Chad Franzen 18:21
How? You mentioned that you were, you know, you were a, you know, grew up in a military family. You were like a military brat. I guess they call it. How is that influenced your perspective and your values?
Brian Beckcom 18:34
I think when you’re when you grow up in a military family, it changes you in a couple of ways. So, for example, I grew up, I think I lived six different places from the time I was born until the time I graduated from high school, which that’s not the best. It’s not the normal thing for a young adult nowadays, but you know what? It did and I didn’t like moving from, you know, making a bunch of friends. And then two years later, I got to move. But you know what it did do. I got friends all over the world now, and it enabled me to, like, meet people easily and to, you know, like my I don’t know if this is a dated reference, but if you looked at my group of friends, it looks like a Benetton catalogue, like, I’ve got friends from every single walk of life, every single race, religion, color, sex, you name it. Like it’s awesome. And so and that and the military’s like that too, by the way. The military is like a melting pot. And the other thing I think it teaches you is it teaches you a certain set of values that really don’t change things like discipline, honor, loyalty, integrity, service, stuff like that. So, you know, I saw my dad not talking about that stuff, but living it like he wasn’t saying, you got to do this stuff. He was just doing that stuff. And so, you know, my dad woke up at 530 every morning around 3.2 miles to 120 push ups and 120 sit ups. And he did that every single day for 20 years without a single break. So when you see that kind of thing, like, it can’t help but like kind of get into your bones a little bit. So but those are the two big things that I learned from the military background.
Chad Franzen 20:10
Yeah, I would imagine. So you go from that to then major double majoring in computer science and philosophy has has that background in computer science and philosophy influenced your approach to law?
Brian Beckcom 20:23
For sure. It’s influenced it in a lot of different ways. And mainly like as from a practical standpoint, like especially nowadays, doing what I do, I have cases where cell phones, computers, photographs, a lot of there’s a lot of engineering and recreating accidents and incidents and stuff. And, you know, when I go depose a mechanical engineer who’s done, you know, all this fancy accident reconstruction, I actually know what he’s talking about. Like, if he says something wrong from the science standpoint, I know he’s saying something wrong or if he’s exaggerating his conclusions.Oh, the coefficient of friction says this, and that means this and that and blah blah blah. And like, I know if he’s bullshitting me basically. So that’s been helpful. And then also, of course, like we talked about earlier from a marketing standpoint, you know, being able to use the internet effectively. I mean, you ought to see my social media, my YouTube, my website. It’s it’s fairly robust. And and so that’s helped a lot from the philosophical the philosophy. So my primary focus was on ethics and morality. So stuff like utilitarianism and kantianism and existentialism and some of the older Greek philosophers, like, how does it mean to live a good life and what is good and bad and stuff like that? Well, isn’t that just what the law is about? Like, isn’t that what we’re doing as lawyers is like the criminal law basically is a value judgment that our society has made, that this particular conduct we don’t agree with philosophically or like in the civil court, what we say is if you hurt somebody and it’s your fault, our values say that you should make it right, that it’s not just enough to say, I’m sorry. It’s like, you know the old story. The kid throws a baseball through the window and breaks it. It’s not enough to say, I’m sorry. You got to offer to pay for it, too, right? Because otherwise you’re not really sorry. So the philosophy I think the I think law is philosophy, law is basically like this is this is our ethics as a society.
Chad Franzen 22:30
What is your approach to settling cases versus going to going to trial?
Brian Beckcom 22:36
I want to settle every single case. And I tell my clients that you’re better off settling the case because trial, they call it trial for a reason because it’s hard and it’s trying. It’s not fun. It’s not over in 20 minutes like it is on TV. and plus if you win, then you don’t necessarily see anything for years because there’s an appellate process. So I tell all my clients, the best thing that can happen is you can settle your case. And most of my cases settle because I picked good cases and I investigate them thoroughly. But on the flip side of that is I am board certified and so is my partner. Personal injury trial law, which means you have to have a certain number of trial. You got to get judges and all this, blah, blah, blah. So if, if, if they don’t offer a fair settlement, I will see you in court tomorrow if we need to. And I think the combination of being willing to settle for reasonable, fair numbers, but being prepared to go to trial if you don’t, that’s the killer combo. And I’ve been doing this long enough. My partner’s been doing this long enough that all the insurance companies we deal with, all the major corporations they know, they know we’ll go to trial if they don’t offer us a reasonable amount. Whereas a lot of lawyers. I hate to say this, but it’s true. A lot of lawyers will take anything that’s offered, basically. And there’s a lot of different reasons for that that might be afraid of going to trial. They might not have any money. They might not know what they’re doing. There’s a lot of different reasons for that. But the point is, is like that happens way too often. Like I hear about cases where somebody’s settled a case for a certain amount of money, and I feel sorry for that person. They would have had a better lawyer. They’d have gotten a lot better result.
Chad Franzen 24:19
You know, you you talked about having the the studio, the video studio in your in your firm and learning. I, I was going to ask you what role technology has played in evolving your evolving your legal practice, but specifically specifically I how are you kind of incorporating that into what you do? And you know, how do you kind of stay stay abreast of everything that goes into that? It seems to change all the time.
Brian Beckcom 24:45
Yeah. So I think what we’re talking about is large language models. When we’re talking about AI as it relates to law right now. So just to use the terms properly, people, people say like ChatGPT. Well, ChatGPT, that’s like saying Toyota.Okay. When what you mean is car. And so there’s a lot of different ChatGPT there’s a lot of different large language models. What is a large language model? Fundamentally, a large language model fundamentally is a computer program that studies a lot of data and then uses that to predict what the next words will be. It’s a prediction machine, essentially. And so it’s not really intelligent in the sense we usually mean that. So the reason I’m saying that from the get go is you got to be careful about how you use it. You have to understand the limitations of these large language models. But with that said, it’s remarkable what they can do. So, for example, when I’m done with a deposition now within 10s, I have a complete AI summary. And I also have a suggested list of follow ups and I can put together a timeline. I can draft a discovery request in 30s and I have to redraft them and all that stuff. I can summarize things. One of the things I like to do in my motion practice often is I’ll have a quote at the top of the that is supposed to be germane to what’s being talked about. So I’ll type into these large language models, give me a five different potential quotes from great literature about this topic. So just to give you a concrete example, I had a case where I was trying to make the point that if you fail to preserve evidence, that’s the same as destroying it. And so I asked the AI, give me five quotes from literature about that idea. That would work good. And I ended up getting a great quote by Salman Rushdie, actually, that was at the very top of the paper. So for stuff like that, it’s amazing. It’s really stupid right now, for the most part, when it comes to researching cases. And it also I find this incredibly ironic. It’s bad at math, so large language models can’t do basic math. Now they’re fixing that a little bit. And if you understood kind of what goes on underneath the hood, then you would understand why that is. But like literally there’s large language models that can’t do basic arithmetic.
Chad Franzen 27:07
Interesting.
Brian Beckcom 27:07
But in terms of like and again, if you understand like the fundamentals of what goes on, you understand why it can do this. But in terms of like taking large a large volume of information and like plugging it together and looking for commonalities and differences and stuff, it’s amazing at that. It’s amazing.
Chad Franzen 27:30
Yeah, yeah I bet. Hey, a couple more questions for you. What what motivated you to create the Lessons From Leaders podcast? And what do you kind of take away from it?
Brian Beckcom 27:41
Sitting in my house in quarantine not doing anything. Everybody’s bitching and moaning online. Everybody’s real mean. Seems Saying it looks terrible. And I was like, you know what?I want to get some positivity out. I know a lot of people. I was sitting out on my back porch with my wife drinking wine, and I said, nobody’s going to want to listen to Brian Beckham’s podcast. I got to get a good name and a good subject. And she said, how about lessons from leaders? And so we went from there. And so the idea behind the podcast is just to feature positive leaders, people that it’s not a political podcast. We’re not bitching and moaning all the time. We’re talking about positive stuff. So what motivated me was just to get a little bit of positivity out in the world.
Chad Franzen 28:20
Basically, how can people find is it you just find it wherever you get your podcasts?
Brian Beckcom 28:24
Yeah, just it’s it’s on everything. It’s on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, all the other podcasts. Just look up lessons from leaders with Brian Beckcom. It will pop up.
Chad Franzen 28:35
Okay. Awesome. One more question, but first tell me how people can find out more about VB Attorneys.
Brian Beckcom 28:41
vbattorneys.com brianbeckcomlawyer on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, Twitter, you name it. And really, all you got to do is type Brian Beckcom and you’ll just it’s actually kind of embarrassing how much stuff comes up.
Chad Franzen 28:58
Okay. Last question for you. If, you know, a young person came to you and said that they thought it would be really great to become an attorney. What what advice would you give them that they wouldn’t learn in law school? Maybe that they would only learn having had your experience.
Brian Beckcom 29:13
Do you like to read and write? If the answer to that is yes, then you’ll probably be a good lawyer. If you don’t like to read and write, you should do something else. Perfect. That’s kind of the bottom line.
Chad Franzen 29:25
Yeah. Yeah. Sounds good. Hey, Brian, it’s been great to talk to you. Thank you so much for all of your insights, your stories and your perspective. Really appreciate it.
Brian Beckcom 29:32
Thank you Chad. Great time. Appreciate it man.
Chad Franzen 29:35
So long everybody.
Outro 29:36
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